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I wish You all the good luck, health and well-being there is!
Best regards Malin Harju (www.ekoblogg.blogg.se)
I also responded to you in Part One...
b
Keeping in mind that UW Madison has a long and distinguished reputation in the nutrition field (vitamins A & D were discovered here), this is the response that I received from the professor that teaches the Masters/PhD course in Vitamins here:
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The issue comes down to transporters - do vitamin C and glucose use the same transporter? I'm pretty sure the answer is "no!" GLUT as you know is incredibly specific for glucose; for example, it can't handle galactose. VC is even more removed structurally.
I'm also unaware of anything showing that glucose (=diabetes) would affect expression of VC transporters.
Mind, too much glucose plays havoc with insulin as you know. Then again, the major fuel for tumors is ketones not glucose (Earl Shrago showed that!); cancers can actually retool the liver to kick into ketone synthesis and catabolic gluconeogenesis, which is another reason why a person loses so much muscle mass.
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If you could point me to a scientific text or paper that discusses competition for transporters between glucose & vitamin C, I would love to read it (and share it with my prof). Otherwise it sounds like fuzzy science to me.
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azy
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Sundari
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Marie
those would be loaded with sugar, dried fruit too. As they dry it, the sugars increase and are more dense, that is why they taste so darn good. I wonder if Goji Berries are ok though, anyone?
deb
love deb
PS Have a GREAT retreat Kris, Bav and Terri! xxoxoxoxo
Anyway... thanks for the info. I was shocked to learn Vit. C and sugar compete. Now I must continue my quest to get the hubby off of sugar.
But the other point here is, if you read Beth's information in Part one.....cancer cells are highly metabolic....they will get the fuel they need from anywhere....if you don't PUT it in your body via food....they will TAKE it from your own body's stores of fat and protein (muscle) which is how you become cachexic. I think finding a balance of eating healthy and well is the most important. Many of these things have yet to be RIGOROUSLY proven. You can't just take a study at face value without evaluating studies properly and to do that you need to know about the framework of statistical research and analysis.
Fruits have quite a bit of nutritive value so swearing them off due to having cancer to me is not completely justified here. A body battling cancer still needs the good cells to be supported because cancer cells will try to steal things from the body anyway. Granted eating more veggies can provide a nice amount of nutrients (like that vitamin C..) that are needed but these are also low in calories and for a body expending energy trying to fight cancer....calorie INTAKE can often be an issue.
Bottom line is ....you need to definitively discuss your own condition with your MD and know what your body is doing (ie. are you losing weight , becoming anemic etc?) before just jumping into an extreme way of eating. Juicing and avoiding all naturally occuring sugars can have its own issues if you don't do it responsibly (i.e. know what your body needs and that excess of some fruits are veggies in the raw can actually be toxic to you or rob your body of a particular compound). Too much of anything .....whether it has been perceived as good or bad ...can be a detriment to our health when it is over done (ever see what former dancers, athletes, bodybuilder's deal with once they hit their 40's). Please read up on the actual research of these things and know that just because some research shows a correlation doesn't mean there is proof one thing causes the other.
In other words, don't fill the pool with mud (ie:fake processed foods) and then expect to swim gracefully through it!
Love you all
Green Juices HO!!
deb
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I completely agree that eating foods that have a low glycemic index (and glycemic load) is just good nutrition. Constantly spiking your insulin with junk food is bad for many reasons. We should all strive to consume a diet that is nutrient dense and calorie poor, ie rich in whole grains, vegetables AND fruits.
But to say that a person living with cancer shouldn't eat fruit? I don't know...if a person going through treatment--eastern, western, whatever--craves fruit and can digest it without too much problem, I say more power to them! I *wish* I'd had the desire to eat (much less the ability to digest) fruit when I was going through radiation.
Fruit is such an important source of vitamins, phytochemicals, and fiber--both soluble and insoluble--and has a relatively low GI & GL, I see it to be squarely in the cancer fighting (vs. "cancer feeding") camp.
Fruit of course is much better in my mind than anything else - sadly, Brian would disagree. My motto (for the most part), I'm sweet enough baby! LOL! Am I perfect all the time - nope. It's just a direction. And, yes, too much of anything is just too much. Moderation is key in my camp BUT in my camp moderation includes education and it isn't an excuse for leaning on crutches. Cakes, candies, and sugar filled treats = crutches. They are not recommended for healing. Once we're out of the woods there is more room to party but next time around we party with knowledge. Thanks gang for such RICH conversation.
Next blog will be loaded with pix! Wish you all were here. :(
I just came across this item in today's news:
STUDY SHEDS LIGHT ON CANCER CELL'S AFFINITY WITH SUGAR
Here are excerpts:
"Experts at the Duke School of Medicine say that they are apparently close to discerning the secret behind the affinity between cancer cells and sugar... [they] found that the tumor cells use glucose sugar as a way to avoid programmed cell death...
... lab experiments showed that tumor cells make use of a protein called Akt to promote glucose metabolism, which in turn regulates a family of proteins critical for cell survival. In normal cells, the removal of growth factors that regulate metabolism and cell survival leads to loss of glucose uptake and metabolism and cell death. However, cancer cells maintain glucose metabolism and resist cell death, even when deprived of growth factors..."
"Akt's dependence on glucose to provide an anti-cell-death signal could be a sign of metabolic addiction to glucose in cancer cells, and could give us a new avenue for a metabolic treatment of cancer," said Dr. Rathmell."
Here's the link to the full article:
http://www.dailyindia.com/show/231573.php/Study...
and here's the Duke page where they got most of it:
http://www.dukehealth.org/HealthLibrary/News/10...
Interesting quote by the researcher: a "metabolic treatment" for cancer... any relevance to our discussion of diet?
Very exciting development...I'm going to have to go back to my metabolism notes and read up on Akt. :)
I would want nothing more than quit sugar but I seem only to last for a few weeks each time before falling off the wagon. How do you guys do it to make it last a lifetime? Am in awe of those who have managed to clean up their act. Maybe the hippocrates health institute could be my rehab (will have to wait as 3 little kiddies have nowhere to go:-))
I hope there will be much more on this topic.
Happines to all!
ometh
All the best,
/Anna Lundh (Lundh means grove! :D)
Maple sugar is the same as honey I think and it is also not raw. I know lots of raw foodies use it, but as you will see, we here at csc are focused on different goals ie; healing, Ph balance etc.
I say a tiny bit of any good raw sweetener is ok, but stevia and raw agave are the king and queens.. all others are below them, white sugar are the lowest of the kingdom
deb
I didn't mean maple sugar, but pure maple syrup. I know it's not raw in the sense that the sap was boiled down, but grade B maple syrup is more for baking because it's not as sweet. My number one big question is: as one deals with cancer and trying to keep to a very healthy diet as prescribed by csc - how the hell do you keep on weight? I can't afford to lose any weight as I go through treatment (and in general), and I love juicing, eating 80/20 (I am not raw however) - but I can't seem to gain any weight. What kept my weight on before this lifestyle was my own baked goods - healthy, but did include sugar, eggs, flour. It's a dilemma I know some people would love to have, but it concerns me. Thanks!
Diane
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deb
Peace
I think it's pretty interesting & certainly begs the question of what step-wise transformation is occuring in cells prior to the "no kill" switch going off with the ongoing exposure to sugar & it brings to mind the work of the Italian guy (can't remember his name Saatchi?) who has suggested that candida underlies cancer, which is in turn thought to be stimulated by sugars & fermentation processes...and then there's the work of Robert O. Young & other's that speaks about the pH and pleomorphic entities evolving to more virulent forms in acidic conditions....sugar being one thing that contributes to this.
It seems to me that these guys are all sort of pointing to the same dynamic....the cells in our bodies transform to an environment out of balance, specifically, things that contribute to an acidic environment & sugar is one of those things. And actually, I'm not entirely sure it's really the cells themselves but perhaps the methylation pathways that get altered & they in turn flip various things on & off (like cell kill switches) in the cellular DNA. This makes sense as there has been research in epigenetics that has shown that when the methylation pathways are restored, the cellular switches go back to their "normal" positions & the health of the cell is restored. It seems that all of this research is suggesting that an acidic internal environment whether that is from sugar, negative thoughts/energy, stress or whatever, these things effect the health of our cells & thus our organs & overall health.
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